3 Topics Over Dinner: Indian Food, "Trust Science", "Subversion", & Kirk

Bill Chapman

Topics: "Trust the Science", Subversion of Western Civilization, and Charlie Kirk

Chote Nawab

<a href="http://tinyurl.com/3TopicsOverDinner" title="http://tinyurl.com/3TopicsOverDinner" target="_blank" data-msys-clicktrack="0" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer">3 Topics Over Dinner website (with more graphics than permitted here)</a>Restaurant: Chote Nawab (Indian) 115 Lexington Ave (at the south east corner of 28th St) Manhattan, NY 10016 <a href="https://order.online/store/10986?utm_source=sdk&amp;visitorId=216b19992ebf3cd5122b6&amp;hideModal=true&amp;redirected=true&amp;pickup=true" title="https://order.online/store/10986?utm_source=sdk&amp;visitorId=216b19992ebf3cd5122b6&amp;hideModal=true&amp;redirected=true&amp;pickup=true" target="_blank" data-msys-clicktrack="0" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer">Menu </a>(Note -- this is the delivery menu. Prices may differ from eat-in. The official menu got way too artsy and has software bugs and is basically unusable. Restaurants fall into that trap sometimes) 3 Topics Over Dinner is a dinner discussion group that meets on weekends. Links to articles or videos on the internet about 3 Topics, usually unrelated to one another, are posted on the event listing. Attendees read the articles (and other sources if they so wish) or watch the videos to be discussed over dinner. The idea is to be similar to a book club, only with far less reading. The idea is that this required reading / video viewing will be less than 3 hours.We go to a different nationality restaurant every month, and always restaurants that will do separate checks for a large group, so everyone can pay with their own credit card and we don't have to figure out how to split the check. The restaurants are chosen to be quiet and nice, but not extremely exorbitant. A link to the menu of the restaurant, with prices listed, will always be provided on the announcement.The restaurants chosen will always be in Manhattan, 77th St or further south.RSVP's will be limited to have about 8 people at dinner, small enough that everyone can hear one another and we can conduct a single conversation.The group has been going roughly once a month since 2008. It was formed on meetup.com and has shifted to Eventbrite.A $5.00 deposit is required to RSVP. This deposit is refunded in cash ten minutes after the event starts. No-shows and latecomers forfeit their deposit.We desperately need to get away from our screens and talk with each other in person."When people actually meet and get to know each other ... what Lincoln called those ‘better angels’ come out. People start recognizing themselves in each other and they start trusting each other, and that’s not just the basis for democracy, but that’s the basis for our long-term salvation." -- Barack Obama<h2>Topic 1: Scientists Should Steer Clear of Partisan Politics</h2><a href="https://www.skeptic.com/article/siren-song-of-influence/?ref=skeptic-newsletter" title="https://www.skeptic.com/article/siren-song-of-influence/?ref=skeptic-newsletter" target="_blank" data-msys-clicktrack="0" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer">Article: click here</a>.The scientific community has gotten too partisan, undermining its credibility with the public. There has also been a lot of scientists putting on lab coats and spouting trendy woke nonsense, like this article in Scientific American, which said <a href="https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/trans-girls-belong-on-girls-sports-teams/" title="https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/trans-girls-belong-on-girls-sports-teams/" target="_blank" data-msys-clicktrack="0" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer">"Studies of testosterone levels in athletes do not show any clear, consistent relationship between testosterone and athletic performance. Sometimes testosterone is associated with better performance, but other studies show weak links or no links. And yet others show testosterone is associated with worse performance."</a>, which insults the intelligence of anyone who knows anything about sports (ie, most of the public).<h2>Topic 2: Ayaan Hirsi Ali: "We Have Been Subverted"</h2><a href="https://www.thefp.com/p/ayaan-hirsi-ali-we-have-been-subverted?utm_source=publication-search" title="https://www.thefp.com/p/ayaan-hirsi-ali-we-have-been-subverted?utm_source=publication-search" target="_blank" data-msys-clicktrack="0" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer">Article: click here</a>Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a Somali-born Dutch citizen and former member of Dutch parliament. When she was growing up, her family moved around to many countries in Africa and the Middle East. Good at languages, she adapted well.She found her way to Holland, which welcomed her into their cradle-to-grave welfare system. She came to the conclusion that European society was frankly better than the Islamic societies she had lived in before. She became a staunch fan of Western Civilization and critic of Islam. She now has to be accompanied by bodyguards to protect her from Islamists who want to kill her for the things she says.This article explains how she feels that Western Civilization is under attack from two forces and losing the fight -- against the woke left, and radical Islam.The article was written last year -- before Trump got elected to his second term.If you believe this article, some of the Republic Party's recent actions:<ul><li>Trump destroying any DEI organization within his reach.</li><li>Trump attacking the universities demanding ideological change</li><li>Red states banning course material in public schools that makes anyone "uncomforable" about their ethnicity.</li></ul>seem appropraite and justified.<h2>Topic 3: Charlie Kirk's Critics</h2><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/28/magazine/charlie-kirk-rhetoric.html" title="https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/28/magazine/charlie-kirk-rhetoric.html" target="_blank" data-msys-clicktrack="0" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer">Article: click here</a> I disagree with a lot of things Charlie Kirk said, but I have a lot of respect for his willingness to go to college campuses, surrounded by people nearly all of whom hate everything he stands for, and debate all comers. Communication across the political divide is something that is desperately needed nowadays.The article above is written by Nichole Hannah Jones, the author of the extremly racist and hateful <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/1619-america-slavery.html" title="https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/1619-america-slavery.html" target="_blank" data-msys-clicktrack="0" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer">1619 Project</a> which insulted the United States and the founding fathers any way she could, which got basic facts wrong, and which spun a tale of 400 years of American history without a single white person doing any virtuous act. It claimed that the defining trait of the United States was slavery, ignoring the fact that in 1619, slavery was practiced in places all over the world, including by Africans. (The primary way that white slave-traders obtained slaves in 1619 was by purchasing them from African tribes).Hannah Jones says that since Kirk was, in her eyes, a "bigot", his life and work shouldn't be celebrated. Rough words coming from one of the most hateful, celebrated, influential racists in the country!Unlike Charlie Kirk, Nichole Hannah Jones lacks the courage and the intellect to go into a room where 90% of the people hate everything she stands for and debate all comers. She cowers in the all-black Howard University, where she rarely comes into direct contact with the white people she despises, insulated from any reaction they might have to her constant abuse. Her response to any criticism is to label the critic a "bigot".Mistakes she makes in this article reflect the fact the she is deeply immersed in the woke liberal bubble, out of touch with reality, and avoids ever having direct conversations with convervatives.<ul><li>She says the Trump praised white supremacists and neo-Nazis who marched in Charlottesville as "very fine people" while Trump supporters generally know that that quote was taken out of context and if you read the transcript of the whole speech, he explicitly condemned them.</li><li>She said Charlie Kirk said all black women "lack brain power" but if you look at the exact quote, he was talking about four specific women, not "all". It should be noted that when Biden was about to appoint a Supreme Court justice, he announced that it would be a black woman before even beginning the search, so it's hardly a stretch to claim that Ketanji Brown Jackson, one of the four women Kirk mentioned, was an affirmative action hire.</li><li>Like most liberals, she said "Replacement Theory" is "racist", and, I assume, untrue in her eyes. The theory is that the Democratic Party favors high rates of immigration because they think American white Christians are the worst people in the world, so diluting them with anybody else is an improvement. But liberals on the coasts make absolutely no secret of their extreme contempt for white Christians in red states, and the immigration policies that Democrats put into place when in power are completely consistent with what Replacement Theory predicts. So what, exactly, is the evidence against Replacement Theory?</li><li>She says it's "racist" for Kirk to point out that the black crime rate is high. What is her position here? How does she feel that it's just fine for her to constantly shit on whites for things that happened centuries ago while it's wrong for Kirk to be talking about something that continues to go on right now?</li><li><ul><li>Is she so deeply embedded in the woke bubble that she is ignorant of the fact that black crime rates are <a href="https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages/tables/table-43" title="https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages/tables/table-43" target="_blank" data-msys-clicktrack="0" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer">radically higher</a> than white ones?</li><li>Most likely, she subscribes to the woke rules of debate, which are that supposedly "oppressed" demographics are entitled to crap all over supposedly "privileged" ones who are forbidden to answer back, even in self-defense.</li></ul></li></ul><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/24/opinion/civility-fantasy-power-kirk.html?searchResultPosition=1" title="https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/24/opinion/civility-fantasy-power-kirk.html?searchResultPosition=1" target="_blank" data-msys-clicktrack="0" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer">This other article</a> is by a lesbian feminist who is offended by things Kirk said about women, rather than blacks.The article is paywalled, a pirate version is <a href="http://bluejacket7.com/pirate/CivilityIsAFantasy.html" title="http://bluejacket7.com/pirate/CivilityIsAFantasy.html" target="_blank" data-msys-clicktrack="0" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer">here</a>. She seems to be arguing that Charlie Kirk's ideas are so offensive that civil debate with him is the wrong idea, and there really isn't anything wrong with celebrating his assassination.She outright says that for civility to be appropriate "we would have to have nothing at stake" which is practically never the case, so apparently, she doesn't believe in free speech at all. I'm not sure she even understands Kirk's position on women.<h2>Reflection on Topics 2 &amp; 3:</h2>Interestingly, the woman (of color) who wrote the second topic is diametrically opposed to the women who wrote the third topic -- Ayaan Hirse Ali felt that denigrating the heroes of Western Civilization, which Nichole Hannah Jones loves to do, is part of the process of destroying Western Civilization.

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