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Note this Prgrame is provisionalfor the latest version PROGRAMME

Trams for Bath? Hosted by Wera Hobhouse MP and Bath Trams. Saturday afternoon, 24th November

Provisional programme this is at a very early stage and is being developed. PROGRAMMETimes and speakers are not finalised

Friday evening

730 pm - informal get together / food / drink , White Hart Gastro Pub, Widcombe, near conference venue. Widcombe Hill, Bath BA2 6AA. 01225 338053. They also do cheap and reasonable accomodation

Saturday - Formal conference

1000 Opening Remarks - Wera Hobhouse MP

Panel comprising leaders of the 4 main political council groups who will all give a short presentation:

Robin Moss: Leader Labour Group, Cllr Westfield ward

Conservative Group: CllrMark Shelford, Cabinet Lead for Transport

Lib Dems: Dine Romero, Liberal Democrat Group, Leader, Southdown

Leader of Green Party Group - Dominic Tristram

1015 Dave Andrews, Chair Bath Trams – Over view of proposed routes. Bath Trams objectives

1030 Roger Harrison Chair Tramlink Nottingham the succesful Nottingham tram system 2007-2015 and President LRTA ( Light Rail Transit Association) 2015-2017E will be talking about the benefits of trams and relate to his experience in Nottingham . He will cover the rationale for the Phase 2 Notts tram scheme, business case, why tram, financing, issues as well as some facts about build, delays, ops, demand and revenues and customer service that could be useful for Bath.

John Hammond, Managing Director, Precast Advanced Track (PCAT) Ltd, will talk about their revolutionary track that is laid in the first few inches of the road, so does not require services to be moved. In addition it can be laid very quickly and causes minimum disruption to traffic as a result. ( this is unlike conventional sleepered track which necessitates deep excavation and service diversion). PCAT can easily span Bath's cellars without detriment.,

1100 David Walmsley – Transport Analyst BSc – PhD, CMILT, MCIHT, tram technical lead. Member of UKTram; UK Rep on European Urban Tram Forum; formerly Fixed Track Executive at Confederation of Passenger Transport. David will be covering some of the advantages of trams that don't get mentioned so much - trams are common in countries all over Europe - focus on France, where they were just as keen as in UK to get rid of trams in the 1950s and now have 28 new systems - only 6 tramways in UK - why?- accessibility for people with disabilities / impairments,- safety - trams are very safe, despite the Croydon accident (the first passenger fatalities on any British tramway anywhere since modern trams began)- trams are good for urban development and regeneration.

1130 Robin Kerr, Chartered Engineer, Chairman of Federation of Bath Residents Associations. Bath’s Transport strategy updated and flavoured with some discussion of trams possibly being part of the solution.

1145 Dr Bob Chard M.Phil. (architecture) B.A. (technology) Dip.TP. Expert in consents and approvals procedures for major transport infrastructure projects; urban transit systems. Over 40 yrs. consultancy, local government and academic experience. Formerly MRTPI (Royal Town Planning Institute) and now a UK Tram member. Will speak on the subject of consents and approvals required for the construction and operation of new tram systems

1215 Probably someone from eg Mott MacDonald will talk about the steps and costs to go through the engineering and design of a tram system such as in Bath, including pre-feasibility and feasibility to determine optimum routes.

James Hammett Managing Director UKTram The UK Tram industry body. Topic to be decided.

Lea Harrison Ops Manager for Edinburgh Trams

Professor Lewis Lesley - BSc, AKC, PhD, CEng, FRSA, MICE, FCIT, MTPS). Professor Lesley has spent the bulk of his academic career studying how to get people to use buses rather than cars, and found nowhere has this been successful. On the other hand he will give evidence of where trams systems have successfully drawn people out of their cars and in so doing reduced congestion and pollution. He is the developer of the privately funded Preston Tram.

1245 Speaker TBC. How to raise funds for a tram system

1315 Lunch

1345 Dr Nick Mallinson. MBA, Phd, CEng, MIET, MCIM HVMC ( what does HVMC mean please??) Programme Manager, will talk about how modern track systems can not only be inserted in the top few inches of the roadway, thus minimising need to re-locate utilities, traffic disruption during installation, greatly reducing track installation costs. Their group is having profitable discussions with the utility companies. They are also developing a low cost battery powered tram, thus reducing overall tram installation costs dramatically, and will shortly be installing such a system in Coventry.

1415 Andrew Braddock – the immediate past Chairman and a Vice-President of the Light Rail Transit Association (LRTA), and Chairman of the Promotions Group of industry body UKTram, a member of the Bus & Coach Forum of the Chartered Institute of Logistics & Transport (CILT)Examples of trams success in reducing traffic, re-vitalizing cities, and examples of trammed cities smaller than Bath

1440 James Harkins. The Oslo Effect - how all rubber tyred vehicle produce minute particulate pollution similar to the pollution emitted from vehicle exhausts, which is in many respects worse than the larger particles from diesel engines, since these nano particles can penetrate the lungs and enter the bloods stream .

1500 David Rumney: A chartered engineer, and a (retired) member of the Institution of Civil Engineers, the Institution of Highways and Transportation and the Institute of Arbitrators. Involved in the planning of many UK successful tram systems such as the Manchester Metro-link, Birmingham, ( but not Edinburgh) and varying levels of involvement in Croydon, Liverpool and Nottingham, Leeds Supertram ( not built – Alistair Darling cancelled the scheme along with that of Liverpool.) . Expert in the issue of underground utilities diversions ( full expertise listed below in Advisory Group)Engineering issues - steps in a successful project

1530 Bath Trams approach - how Bath could own its own tram system

1600 – Views from Bath Preservation Trust ( Most Western cities expanded using steel railed horse, then electric trams, so they are arguably part of Bath's heritage, whereas traffic congestion, vehicle pollution, road widening, carparks, street furniture etc) were only recently introduced after the war with the mass introduction of cars which are therefore arguably not part of Bath's heritage)

1630 Remarks from councillors representing the four local political groups

1700 – Discussion around strengthening and broadening Bath Trams as a serious group intending to bring trams back to Bath.

1730 formal end - coffee and bar till can continue in the downstairs bar

Saturday evening

After conference - informal get together / food / drink , White Hart Gastro Pub, Widcombe, near conference venue. Widcombe Hill, Bath BA2 6AA. 01225 338053. They also do cheap and reasonable accommodation

Looking at the case for trams, where they could be deployed and the next steps.

Bath's MP Wera Hobhouse and Bath Trams are hosting a conference on the re-introduction of Trams for Bath as a solution to the traffic congestion and associated pollution issues in the city. Trams can be a stimulus to Bath's economy by facilitating movement into and within the city. This will benefit those who live and work here as well as the many visitors and shoppers who come to enjoy all this world heritage city has to offer.

In addition to a comprehensive network within Bath itself, tram or light rail connections to Chippenham, Radstock, Bristol and Bristol airport are also being considered as they all generate considerable traffic into Bath.

Experts from the transport sector will be giving their views, along with local leaders of the political parties.


Note. All the hills in Bath are accessible to trams, and the routes indicated on the map have been surveyed and are more than wide enough to accommodate them.

A recent professional study prepared for the Council has indicated that at least 4 proposed routes were likely to be feasible with " no show stoppers" identified.

There are many trams systems serving towns smaller than Bath, and France has recently re-installed 27 systems specifically to revitalize city centers and improve the environment within them.

In Britain, all the recent new tram systems including Edinburgh, have proved wildly popular and have generated pressure for additional lines to be constructed. They have been shown to attract people from cars and thus to reduce congestion and pollution. Buses do not do this

Bath Trams assume "on-street running" where trams and cars share precisely the same road space as is the case in many continental cities; i.e. no special dedicated tram routes are required. And Bath's streets are not too narrow or too steep for trams.

Modern slab track systems can be installed progressively during night times without major disruption to day time traffic or utility services, and can be designed to span all Bath's beneath road cellars. Some trams systems have used conventional sleepered track, causing installation delays partly due to the need to re-locate services and thereby caused considerable disruption. This will not be repeated in Bath if we use these modern slab tracks which only need to be set within the first 9 inches of the road where there are no services.

Tram systems can be instrumental in initiating a high level of modal switch from cars which is not the case with buses. This is because car drivers generally do not find buses an acceptable alternative, whereas they will accept trams running to a frequent and regular timetable.

This acceptability to car drivers means the case for trams can be forcefully promoted by local politicians and can gain widespread suppport from the general populace and shopkeepers who see the benefits from restricting cars in cities if a tram system is installed. This is not the case with buses.

The forthcoming transition to electric vehicles will only make a small reduction in deadly particulate pollution from from traditional engined cars, because substantial microscopic particulate atmospheric pollution comes not only from engine exhausts but also from a combination of road surface dust, tar and rubber tyre dust. In any case, electric vehicles will not help reduce congestion.

The typical highways entering Bath can carry about 1000 cars per hour, buses could manage maybe 15,000 per hour and trams 40,000.

With a tram system it is possible to control traffic lights citywide (Green Wave Traffic Light Pre-emption) so that trams can have precedence at all road junctions, and thus not be impeded by traffic because the road ahead will always be clear. This system is generally not effective with buses.

If you wish to talk, please let me know.

Commercial entities are welcome to sponsor and display their marketing materials.

There will be further announcements regarding speakers, agenda and venue.

Hope to see you at the conference.

Best Wishes

Dave Andrews

Chair - Bath Trams

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