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NetBeans Technical Call: Web Tier Programming in NetBeans 6.5 and Beyond

Sun Microsystems, Inc

Wednesday, November 12, 2008 from 8:00 AM to 9:00 AM (PST)

Menlo Park, CA

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NetBeans Technical Call: Web Tier Programming in NetBeans 6.5 and Beyond:
with Arseniy Kuznetsov and Mark Dey (NetBeans Engineering Prague)
WED NOV 12th at 0800am Pacific; 11am US East Coast; 5pm Europe

*** MP3 AUDIO of the call here (60min running time; 63MB file)
http://java-champions.dev.java.net/mp3/nb65call11-12.mp3

*** There will be 30 min of slides presented by Sun; audience will be muted during this time; After the slides, the operator will assist the audience in directing questions to the speakers; this Call will be recorded for later playback ON THIS Event webpage and on NetBeans.org


Arsiney Kuznetsov


Arseniy Kuznetsov

 

 


 


 

ABOUT THE SPEAKERS:

Arseniy Kuznetsov is the NetBeans Director at Sun Microsystems, Inc. in Prague, Czech Republic. He has over 15+ years experience in software development and 12+ years managing software development teams. Arseniy is fluent in Russian, English, and Czech. He's been with the NetBeans team since 2002.
Mark Dey is a NetBeans Engineering Manager
John Jullion-Ceccarelli
is the NetBeans Web Tier Sr. Manager.

 

 

 

NetBeans Dream Team

Audio MP3 of this call is forthcoming

Community Comments/Discussion points for this call:

  • Woodstock is a JSF component library like RichFaces, IceFaces, Tomahawk, Infragistics, etc. What sucks today is that it is not nice having multiple component suites in the same project. JSF 2.0 has vastly simplified component development and standardized the painpoints.... --Ryan

  • Will NetBeans have a generic UI builder that allows for creating visual user interfaces on top of some technology-independent "description format" (XML? XUL? ...?) ? -- Kristian

  • I took a quick look at Woodstock a while back, and it initially looked like a great sexy technology, and the way that web applications would be built one day. But it seemed early stages, overly complex and with limited documentation/examples, and that's the feedback I also got from asking others, so..... Then I find out that support for it is being dropped by Sun....And then there is JSF, Struts, Spring MVC, Wicket, jMaki (and probably about 20 other frameworks), all similar in ways, all different in ways. I hope I'm not the only one who finds this a minefield? --Tim

  • I'd like that visual editors look all the same, as Matisse -- Fabrizio

  • Let's not forget any other pain points we may have all around with NB as it relates to the agenda.....JS libraries, the editor, or anything else....--Wade

  • I am OK with contributing time and effort to keep the project going, but there is a significant amount of code here. The expertise has been squarely in Sun's hands. I feel that we would need some knowledge transfer to make this happen....Sun should do the right thing and finish 4.3 so that it works with Firefox 3.x. If they fail to do that, I will be more reluctant to use Sun's technologies in the future. We are a SUN OEM and partner, and this will hurt us --JohnY

  • Can anyone tell me, and others, what the future - long, short and immediate - for Project Woodstock is in Netbeans? As it stands at the moment, you can see that people are crying out in the [GlassFish] forums
    https://woodstock.dev.java.net/servlets/ForumMessageList?forumID=28
    and in the mailing list
    https://woodstock.dev.java.net/servlets/BrowseList?listName=users&by=date&fr
    om=2008-10-01&to=2008-10-31&first=1&count=57

    asking the same thing, with zero response. --RobertH

  • We really need some form of 3rd party partners. This would go beyond those things which "partners" according to the current web site do which is really just build things for the NB IDE etc. This would be companies who have a vested interest in the NB community doing well because their products are not just modules for NB which they have them for Eclipse too, but would instead be built on top of NB much as many Eclipse partners do. They then we wind up helping fix low level issues which affect NB because it affects their bottom line as well. -- Wade C

  • 3rd party support partners are another big need. Currently it seems either folks purchase large support contracts for Sun or nothing. Well, small business I know don't have 50,000-a few hundred thousand dollars a year to spend on support contracts, but may very well buy thousands of dollars a year if it were arranged hourly. This means you have hundreds of thousands of clients in place of a few. Then if you lose one or two here or there it doesn't hurt as bad as losing a large client. As Sun can't afford all the resources involved it really makes sense to partner with folks like those in the Dream Team and small businesses and consultants to fund the program etc. Either have us pay in dues and you guys give us a single point of contact and delve up the support some how and help out with the advertisement of the program as a single front. Makes it easier to get business etc. We can of course market ourselves beyond such a program, but we really need a central way for folks to find us and the support they need. --Wade C
  • Compile/Deploy on Save: This has the potential to be a great feature, but it can't be half way done or not enough thinking outside the box be devoted to it. For instance, it is very silly that one has to choose between compile on save and build. I right click on my project with COS turned on. I click build. The IDE then tells me that I have compile on save turned on and that I should go to properties and turn it off or do a clean and build. Well, come on, if it can clean and build it can build. What if I changed one or two files outside the IDE and just want it to quickly pick this up? Don't narrow things and lock in on options...broaden them. --Wade C
  • Error badges: Really? I haven't seen them in 6.5 yet, but I have been building my own and deleting the user directory often. This has been hanging over our heads since 6.0 was released, and it stinks. See: http://www.netbeans.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=119669 --Wade C
  • It's probably no surprise to anyone here that I think the platform is by far the most important part of NetBeans. I see and hear a lot of people who are looking to move away from monolithic swing apps and homegrown platforms towards *some* platform. Obviously we have the opportunity to capture the market by making the platform better known, easier to use and more powerful. But what I think gets lost on a lot of people is that improving platform support will make the IDE better too, because it enables the community at large to make improvements and add new features themselves. --TomW

 

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